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you mentioned the the previous

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programs finished in 1995 does it not

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give you some kind of hope or have you

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ever had any incline that other projects

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have gone on

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in some capacity we heard about ossap

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and atip that obviously happened and no

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one would have ever thought the us

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government would have had official

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acknowledgement of ufo programs that

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there may have still been some aspect of

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a program going on in the background on

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remote viewing or do you think it would

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have to come from a more

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out there character like above bigelow

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well that's a really good question um

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a year ago i would have said

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because i'm quite involved with quite a

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lot of people within the community not

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only that i uh i do a lot of historical

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research you know looking at people's

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archives in in the universities and and

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so forth

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and i'd seen no evidence whatsoever of

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that

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um

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but i have had two separately confirmed

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statements

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and i'm being careful what i say here

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because i'm not like to mention any

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names

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um i had two very

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knowledgeable higher

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people in the know

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independently confirmed to me that there

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are

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certain uh agencies

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still using active remote viewing um

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operations

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and that's only been in the last four or

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five months

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so i have to take those um

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statements very credible because the the

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people are very credible um

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so yeah i have to assume that my

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previous 20 years and not been able to

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find anything whatsoever on an active

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program it's probably superseded and it

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there probably is but i think it's

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probably gone the way of like the the

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uap research whereas it's

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gone into like private

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subcontracted organizations so it's not

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like you know it wouldn't be like the

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nsa or cia or you know anyone got their

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own

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remote viewing unit or something they

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probably subcontract out to some kind of

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organization or corporation that gives

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them

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data and you you know you've seen how it

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is with the reports we've been seeing

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coming out recently about uaps it's

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probably not even called remote viewing

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anymore it's probably called some kind

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of weird kind of like i don't know

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non-local

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information

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you know report number one or something

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something like that you know it's going

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to be something innocuous and hidden

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away

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yeah so yeah i do believe now that uh it